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DODGE CARAVAN TRANSMISSION

June 15, 2009
by: jovial_cynic


A few months ago, my wife and I started to notice that our minivan transmission was acting a little funny. When slowing down to a stop, the transmission would drop from second to first (we have the 4-speed automatic) with a clunk, sometimes so forcefully that the car would shudder as a result. Additionally, I noticed that the cruise control had gone all wonky -- I'd set the cruise, but the engine would fluxuate around the speed I set, as though it couldn't find the correct speed once I set it. Lastly, my wife noticed that the speedometer needle started acting up, and would shoot out to 120mph and back down to 0mph with no actual change in engine speed. Very weird.

Having heard for years that Dodge transmissions were notorious for failure (especially on the minivans), I braced myself for the cost of repairs. Between the transmission, the cruise control, and whatever was causing the speedometer to race around, I expected to end up with a repair bill that would be greater than the value of the van. However, I wanted to see if anybody else had experienced similar problems with their transmissions, and wondered if the cruise and speedometer issues were connected in anyway.

Transmission:

The first thing I needed to do was to identify my transmission. The 2000 Dodge Grand Caravan Sport (3.3 L) has the A604 transmission, as did any Caravan from 1989 to 2006. As it turns out, this transmission is entirely computer controlled.

A604 / A606
The transmissions above are 4 speed front wheel drive automatics that are all computer controlled. If your transmission starts shifting erratic or stays in second gear only, then make sure you or a shop run a scanner on the vehicle. You want to see if you have a sensor that has gone bad causing your problems. Also make sure you check the clutch volume index (c.v.i.). This helps determine the condition of the transmission. Chevy's and Ford's do not have this neat little feature.

Vehicle's with A604 transmissions have chronic input and output speed sensor problems and also with the little wire connectors to those input and output speed sensors. The dealer offers a repair kit for these wires instead of buying a whole new wire harness. On most of these vehicles, If you have a code 41-44 you should check for weak battery voltage first. now the shop needs to check the wiring for poor grounds. I have seen that The transmission controller often goes bad causing these same codes, so be careful.


Reading that a common fail-point on these transmissions is the input and output speed sensors, I kept researching to see if the other issues with my van could be caused by the same sensors.

Cruise Control:

This article I found referenced a 1988 Dodge transmission (which is a generation prior to the one in my van), but the reference to the speed sensors caught my attention:

Q. Now I have a few problems with my 1988 Dodge Caravan, 3.0 liter engine, is equipped with cruise control, A/C and has 141,000 miles. I have a Maintenance Required light coming on with a Code 15. I had this for about two months or so. During that time the cruise control worked just fine!

A few days ago I turned on the cruise control to set it at 55 mph and when I did the car started to accelerate more and more!!! It would not stay at 55 mph. Could code 15 cause this problem?

A. Code 15 is the Vehicle Speed Sensor and a bad VSS would most certainly cause the problem you're having with the cruise control.


Speedometer:

The last issue was the speedometer, and sure enough, the issues with the speedometer can also be linked to the speed sensors on the van.


'91 Dodge Caravan, Speedometer Jumps

Q: I recently bought a '91 Dodge Caravan with a bad transmission. I had a Chrysler rebuilt transmission installed. When driving down the road at 30 MPH the speedometer will start jumping around sometimes will peg out at the maximum 100 MPH on the dashboard. The engine will start jerking at that point. Then the speedometer will settle down and the vehicle will run smoothly. The tachometer will remain steady even though the speedometer is jumping around. The transmission shop did not think that the rebuilt transmission would be the cause. The OBD did not show any errors. When the technician checked the dashboard, the speedometer would only go to the half way point(50MPH) instead of the full range(100MPH). What should I be looking for? Sensors, gauges, body control computer? Wiring? The problem is intermittent and seems to be affected by bumps.

A: If I'm not mistaken your vehicle doesn't have a speedometer cable. It uses a signal generator in the transmission that creates an electrical signal in relationship to vehicle speed called a Vehicle Speed Sensor (VSS). This information is processed by the vehicle's computer for engine and transmission management and provides the signal for the body computer that controls the speedometer. If the VSS is failing it will not always set a code in the computer. Why? It all depends on how it is failing (lying). Also you have to know that the computer in many vehicles have a programmed speed limiter. The computer's program uses vehicle speed as an input and if a specified speed is seen by the computer it will cut the fuel injectors to prevent the vehicle from going too fast. Knowing this, and the fact that your engine starts running rough when the speedometer flips out at 100 plus MPH, I'd say fuel cut out is kicking in. For this to happen it is likely that the Vehicle speed Sensor is on its way out. Before it quits it's going you make your life difficult. Have your technician plug into the vehicle computer and monitor the vehicle speed sensor signal. It's likely your problem is an intermittently lying Vehicle Speed Sensor.



Having put together my research, and understanding that the issue may have been caused by a bad set of speed sensors, I did my best to put my head around the problem, which I believe can be summarized this way: these transmissions receive signal about the engine speed through an input speed sensor. The transmission changes gears when the engine reaches a specific speed. The transmission, through the output speed sensor, tells the car how fast it is going, and that information is sent to the speedometer and the cruise control system.

Confident that I had figured out the problem, I checked around a few local auto stores to see if anybody had the sensors. The sensors ran about $20 each, which is significantly cheaper than having to a replace the transmission. When you get them, make sure to have the store tell you which is the input and which is the output, because I think they'll both fit in either hole. The boxes on my sensors didn't say, so I had the store just write "IN" and "OUT" on the boxes.

I found a handy image of my transmission, which shows where the sensors are located:



And then I made sure I had the parts and tools necessary to do the job.

Parts/Tool List:
10mm socket (to remove top of air intake)
1" socket (to remove/tighten sensors)
standard screwdriver (to loosen hose clamps)
Vehicle Speed Sensor - INPUT
Vehicle Speed Sensor - OUTPUT


Removal/Installation:


The first step is to remove the airbox cover. This can be removed with a 10mm socket. Under the airbox cover is the actual airbox; remove the filter by unsnapping the clamps holding the lid in place. Maybe this is a good time to see if your filter needs to be replaced.


Once you've got the airbox cover and filter off, you should be able to see where the sensors are located. On the left is the input sensor, and on the right is the output sensor.


The input sensor is located just under two little hoses; remove the clamps and get those houses of the way. Make sure that you keep track of which hose goes on the left and which one goes on the right. To remove the sensor connector, there's a tab that lifts up, probably under the sensor. It lifts very easily, and the connector slides right off. If it's not coming right off, you haven't properly lifted the tab.


Here you can see the hoses and the sensor connector removed. To remove the sensor, you need a 1" socket which should fit right over the terminal. The socket should also be large enough to clear the hose nipples.


Here's a shot of the output sensor. Note that with both of these sensors, the base is plastic. If you use anything other than a 1" socket, you'll rip the plastic to shreds and never be able to get the sensor off. USE the socket.


In my situation, the output sensor was covered in sludge, which may have been the source of the problem. Both the input and output sensors use some kind of magnetic receiving unit, and those magnets will pick up tiny metal shavings that are suspended in the transmission fluid. I suppose 10 years worth of buildup is enough to cause the sensor to throw bad signals. But maybe something on the inside caused the problem... so replacing it outright was the best decision.

Anyhow, after replacing the two sensors, the transmission problems have completely been resolved. No more weird cruise control issues, no more erratic speedometer, and no more 2-to-1 gear drops when coming to a stop. Problem solved.


NOTE: This is part 1 of the Dodge Caravan transmission issue. Part 2 can be found here: http://newprotest.org/details.pl?1457


COMMENTS for DODGE CARAVAN TRANSMISSION


Chony said:
Awesome, Josh!!!
I tell you, you sure are handy and smart!!

June 21, 2009


jovial_cynic said:
Thanks, mom! :)
June 22, 2009


BG said:
This information looks great. Question - Did you run any computer codes before starting on the project? If so, do you remeber which codes came up? Also did the check engine light ever come on?
June 23, 2009


jovial_cynic said:
BG -

I did not run codes, and even if I did, the problem was intermittent. The sensor hadn't failed; it was just randomly throwing bad numbers.

I believe, however, that a fully failed output sensor will throw a code 15, based on what I've read.

No - the check engine light never came on.

June 23, 2009


BG said:
Thanks again for the information it has been great. Unfortunately I think my 2000 Dodge Caravan Sport has a few more issues. I'll keep trying.
June 24, 2009


jovial_cynic said:
BG -

No problem. Hope you get everything figured out.

June 25, 2009


Fred said:
Good information. I initially replaced just the output sensor. That fixed the problem. A month later had to replace the input sensor. Morale: do them both.
July 03, 2009


Fred said:
P.S. - you can reset the "check engine" light by disconnecting the battery terminal for a minute or so, then put it back on again.
July 03, 2009


KEV said:
My 02 Grand Caravan is making lots of noise and lurching. See anything about that in your research? Thanks
July 16, 2009


jovial_cynic said:
KEV -

Sorry, man. Noise could be anything. Lurching could be transmission, engine, brakes... you're not really giving me (or google, if you go that route... which you should) to work with.

July 16, 2009


starla said:
lurching --- i have that too. when i am travelling around town at slow speeds (speed limit is 40km).......it seems to rev up and then go back down......but the speedometer doesnt show any change in speed. you can physically feel the van "lurching".......im a single mom and i have no idea how else to explain it. nearest 'shop' is over 2 hours away....i live in the middle of nowhere. my van is a 2004 grand caravan.
I also have noise when i brake...tho this has been an ongoing issue for some time, my dad did look at it and found some clip things were missing off the brake pads...? replaced them and it was fine but now its doing it again and the clips are still in place. it doesnt do it all the time, usually only when im braking lightly.....if i press on the brakes hard, it doesnt do it.
any ideas.......?

July 23, 2009


jovial_cynic said:
starla -

My instinct on any "lurching" on these vans is to swap out the speed sensors. They're easy to swap out, and they're not terribly expensive, compared to the cost of a new transmission.

As for the squeaking - it's time for new brake pads. Brake pads come with a metal prong that is meant to squeak when the pad gets worn down. You won't notice the squeak when you press hard on the brakes, because you're pressing the pads onto the rotors hard enough to push the prong down. Anyhow, what you are describing is the sound that brake pads are supposed to make when they're worn down.

July 23, 2009


Darlene said:
My 2000 Dodge Grand Caravan was doing the same thing... cruise control jerking at first... then it wouldn't get out of first gear and the speedometer stayed at zero, and the transmission light came on.

I bought the input speed sensor; my son installed it, but it didn't fix it. The next day, I bought the output sensor and my son installed it, but the transmission light didn't go out. We disconnected the battery to simulate a reset and still the transmission light didn't go out.

I'm really surprised switching out the two speed sensors didn't fix the problem; my symptoms are identical to what yours were.

I'm not sure what to try next. :-/

August 03, 2009


Darlene said:
I spoke too soon! I thought the output sensor replacement had failed because the transmission light was still on after my son installed it. I didn't drive the van anywhere cause I was blocked in by 2 cars.

Anyhow, it occurred to me this morning that maybe the reset attempt didn't work, even though the sensors did solve the problem. So I drove it to my favorite mechanic this morning, and lo and behold, the speedometer was working and the transmission was shifting gears! Woo-hoo!

The mechanic hooked a computer reader to my van and reset the fault messages. The transmission warning light went out! Woo-hoo! Thank you so much for putting this information the internet! You saved me a LOT of time and money, I am sure!

August 04, 2009


jovial_cynic said:
Darlene -

Glad that worked out for you! :)

August 06, 2009


Umang said:
Thank you very much.
August 10, 2009


jovial_cynic said:
Umang - no problem. Hope this information was useful.
August 10, 2009


Gary said:
My 2000 van speedometer quit all together & transmission went into limp mode.(stuck in 2nd or 3rd gear). I'm changing both sensors tonight to see if that takes care of it. Thanks for the info & great photos.
August 13, 2009


jovial_cynic said:
Gary -

That sure sounds like a sensor issue. Please make sure to come back and let me know if changing the sensors fixes the problem.

August 13, 2009


Gary said:
Right on the money big guy!!!! All is good in Caravan land. It only took about 20 minutes to change both sensors from the top side.Clear the air box out of the way & you don't even need to remove the transmission lines next to the input sensor. Thanks again!!!! Gary
August 13, 2009


MADI said:
I HAVE DODGE JOURNEY 2009 392MILES WHEN THE CAR HAS SPEED UP 4000 RPM WITHOUT SHIFTING THEY TOOK IT TO DEALER THEY SAID OUT PUT SENSOR SOO WHY IS THAT NEW SENSOR GET BAD
August 13, 2009


jovial_cynic said:
Gary - awesome. Glad that fixed it for you. I'm really happy I stumbled upon this fix and am able to share that info with other folks.

MADI - I don't know anything about that vehicle. I just know my own, which is the Dodge Grand Caravan.

August 14, 2009


Ben said:
This information is right to the exact point... Thank you very much!

I appears this happens quite a bit to Dodge Caravans..

My wife called me from the intersate yesterday saying "the van just hit 120mph but i'm really not going that fast!" the needle then went back to 0. and stayed there. It droped into 2nd gear and stayed there also, Check engine light came on also. So this happening as you can imiagine stressed her out with two boys under 2&1/2 in the van.
She made it to her freinds and between them giving me the vans symptoms on the phone I managed to google them and come to this site, which is heaven sent!! I though the Transmission was going out..

After calling around a few O'Reilleys i picked up the the two speed sensors in and out. drove the hour to where her freind lives, poped the hood and replaced them in 45 mins, reset the computer by detaching the battery connections and touching them together. The van was instantly fixed wahhooo!! and I was the start of the day :o) :o)... Well actully your site was!. sshh.

Thanks very much!
Ben

August 20, 2009


Darlene said:
My van started lurching again. Twice right around 25 mph and twice at 68 mph with the cruise control on. HAAALP!! Any guesses?
September 13, 2009


Marc said:
Good morning all. I have a 91 caravan, 3.3l with 4 speed trans. Yesterday the wife calls and says it's broke. Made a noise then noticed fluid behind her (matter of 20' from what I seen when I went to look)she stopped the van right away and turned it off thinking it was rad or something. I have tranny fluid leaking out from between the bell housing and the engine. In park the van moves freely pushing on it so I was able to tow home. Now it wont turn over or start, just clicks. Seems something is stuck in tranny not allowing engine to turn but the free wheeling is throwing me off. Looking for ideas. I've always done my own repairs but never had to change a trans in front wheel drive mostly cause of the hoist needed. The engine and trans need to be removed from bottom correct? Is it possible to do from above with an engine hoist or ???
Any and all help is greatly appreciated and thanks in advance.

September 24, 2009


Ben said:
Marc you don't need to pull the engine ,either use a support bar from above im sure you can rent one ,or just use a jack at the bottom ,you do need to remove the driver side front mounting bolts,but thats it ,no need to take out the whole engine
September 24, 2009


Sveinung Molde said:
Hi
I have a 1998 Dodge Caravan with a 3.3 V6 and a 4 speed automatic transmission.There is a valve lifter type noice coming from the trans.In the beginning there was little noice and now the noice is irritating.Thought at first is was a bolt that had loosened from the converter but I don`t think so.I have had a computer read out and all was ok.Seems when I put the trans in reverse that the noice is less.This I think has something to do with oil pressure.The trans goes thru the gears fine but when I leave itin 3rd it lurches.So what do you all think ?
My email address is calkid@start.no for those who wish to contact me directly. Regards,S.M.

October 24, 2009


jovial_cynic said:
Sveinung -

No clue. Valve lifter noise from the transmission? I don't know anything about the guts of the transmissions on these things, but if you think you might be low on fluid, you can check that.

October 26, 2009


athena said:
I have a 97 dodge caravan, went to go out today got about 5 minutes down the highway, i turned on my cruise control and set at 110km a few seconds later my gas pedal "kicked" at me i looked and my speedometer was reading 0 and my service engine light had come on, so i turned back around just before i got into town the speedometer jumped to 100 then back to zero, i didn't loose power to anything, and she still felt smooth the speed itself didn't change....guys at the garage are scratching their heads...is this the speed sensor or something else? ty for your help :)
October 26, 2009


jovial_cynic said:
athena -

Everything you're describing is consistent with a failure to get a good signal from the output speed sensor. I'd say that you should replace your output speed sensor (might as well replace both of them, actually), and then check the connectors at the output speed sensor to make sure you've got a good connection on it.

October 26, 2009


athena said:
the guys at the garage are looking at it now, they called to tell me they didn't know how to resolve the issue and i should bring it to a dealership..so hopefully they can fix it now, just getting the prices of the sensors now....thank you for your help and your website is a godsend!! Anything different in the diagnosis i;ll let ya know

October 26, 2009


Jesse said:
Thanks for this post! I am going to try this as soon as it stops raining. We just bought a used 2003 Caravan (base model), but the warranty period is up. We are getting some of these issues, like lurching, and erratic shifting. Should I disconnect the negative battery terminal before starting the procedure? Thanks!
November 11, 2009


jovial_cynic said:
Jesse -

Regarding disconnecting the battery - I didn't, but I've heard folks mention resetting the error codes on the car by doing that. I never had those codes pop up, so I never *had* to do it. With the ignition off, you don't have any signal going to/from those sensors, so I don't believe it makes a difference if you have the battery connected or not.

November 11, 2009


Jesse said:
Thanks Jovial! I think I will try disconnecting the battery, as I have an engine light on, but we get no error codes from the scanning machines.
November 11, 2009


Greencricker said:
2000 Dodge Grand Caravan, 3.8L, 4 spd., 166K miles, unknown if tranny fluid was ever service-we only had this a year and put 25K miles on it. Lots of good info here. My tranny did a weird one for us. Had the cruise set at 70 going down the interstate, when suddenly the tach pegged out, I dropped it to neutral, and pulled over to see if problems-nothing. Started again, and same thing, seemed to happen as soon as it shifted from 1st to 2nd now. Towed home and in the garage with the tranny pan off, I found about an 1/8" of metallic sludge on the magnet, looking like a porcupine, but no major chunks. Fluid was brownish/red, but not overly stinky. All kinds of fault codes, P0734/1/2, P1782, P0304 and P0700. I was told by one guy that the P0304 misfire could set off all the tranny codes. Has anyone else ran across this? I will update when fluid change is finished, but looking for other opinions/comments. Thanks!
November 13, 2009


DHELAL said:
Transmission for corned Dodge Caravan 2007 model does not work Hoieml 0 only on the speed and only one 0 Electricity 0 do not reach him what the problem is
November 27, 2009


dodgetohear said:
I have a 2001 Stratus with the A604. I was driving and with no noise or any warning the trans just stopped working.. In every gear its like its in neutral. could this be a sensor?
December 08, 2009


jovial_cynic said:
dodgetohear -

Not sure. I only know the symptoms described in the post.

December 08, 2009


Mike said:
Greetings, all. So glad to find this post, as my wife describes similar symptoms, and I'm just a shade-tree wrench, with simple tools and a simpler mind.... I'll try the sensor replacement & follow-up with the results.
December 13, 2009


Mike said:
As Gary said, "All is good in Caravan land!" Switched both sensors, and
TA-DAAA!
My tranny shifts once again!

December 13, 2009


jovial_cynic said:
Mike -

Glad it worked out for you!

Right now, I'm trying to trace down a wiring problem with the tail light. Even with new bulbs, the left tail light is still out, so I have to find out where the circuit is broken...

December 13, 2009


Mike said:
Uh-oh.... Bad news. Seems my round-the-block roud test failed to reveal a more persistant shifting problem that simply changing the input & output speed sensors didn't fix. Had a bout of intermittantly engaging, which was resolved with a fluid & filter change. Since then, tranny has been stuck in limp mode. Doing some internet research, and most of what I've found has scared me off of a tranny flush, and now I'm leaning toward a solenoid pack, still hopeful of a quick (read, "cheap") fix.
December 26, 2009


jovial_cynic said:
Mike -

What fascinating timing. I JUST swapped out my solenoid pack which solved a new problem that popped up. I bought a Dodge part for $240, but you can probably pick one up at an Autozone for $170. I went with the Dodge part, because I learned that Dodge is now on their THIRD version of that solenoid pack due to leaks and faults within it, and I have no way of determining if the Autozone product is the most recent version of the part.

I should have a blog post on this repair in a day or so. :)

December 26, 2009


Tom said:
I have 02 dodge caravan running great it started to leak tran fulid took it to the local shop that stated it was a vavle pack and he can't fix it told me to go to a dealer.
I hate going to a dealer ,Call a tranmission place a few towns away told me it my be trans solenoid pack .
ANY IDEAS WHAT THAT SHOULD RUN THANKSSSS

January 05, 2010


jovial_cynic said:
Tom -

Here's the write-up on the solenoid pack:

http://newprotest.org/details.pl?1457

January 05, 2010


Cory said:
Jovial
I don't have a van but a dodge pick-up, i have not running tail light, but brake and signal light on the left, It works when i hook up to a trailer, having no garage i haven't check for sure but i think the faulty wire is right a where the trailer harness meets the main tail lights wire, if your wired for a trailer i would check there hope that helps you.

January 18, 2010


Luis Vargas said:
Hi. Jovial, Very good info i may add, I been doing also some research on my 2003 3.3L fwd with 151,000 grand caravan. i have also a clunk by down shifting but from 3rd to second. maybe this sensor input output, are to blame, will replace and see. thanks for posting this helpful info,, Luis
March 11, 2010


jovial_cynic said:
Luis -

Thanks! Glad you found the post helpful. Be sure to also check out my second transmission post.

March 12, 2010


Steve said:
Thank you for posting this information. I found this post after my speedometer stopped working, the check engine light came on, and the van was stuck in 2nd gear. I replaced the output speed sensor and went on a test drive. So far the problem seems to be resolved. Thank you again.
March 23, 2010


dominick said:
how do i git the transmission out and do i have to pull the axles off and how would i do that?
March 30, 2010


dominick said:
97 dodge caravan se 3.3
March 30, 2010


jovial_cynic said:
dominick -

You'll need to pick up a manual for your vehicle; I don't have any experience pulling transmissions off of Dodge Caravans. Why do you want to pull the transmission? The whole point of my post was that you *don't have to* pull the transmission to repair the common transmission issues.

March 30, 2010


dominick said:
ok i will pick the manual up but i think i have a crack in my transmission case its leaking realing bad from the front seal. a person changed it once but i dont know if he mite of crushed it or what so im taking the transmission out to inspect it to make sure its not cracked and see where it is leaking from thanks.
March 30, 2010


HEMI HEAD said:
this is my failure on my 98 g. caravan 3.3l... the ac and rear wiper lights are flashing to... i think maybe it's gonna be the solenoid... but not sure...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUSwf-a0T78

April 06, 2010


sporty said:
I have a 00 dodge caravan with a 3.3L and I don't have the proper dipstick for my transmission. I just dropped the trans. pan, changed the filter & gasket, but now I need to know how many quarts of trans. Fluid to add
April 10, 2010


jovial_cynic said:
sporty -

You should probably pick up a manual for fluid capacities. I don't know off the top of my head.

April 11, 2010


chris said:
i have a 2002 grand caravan when you start the engine and put it into gear it doesnt move its like its in park wont roll in any gear.shut off the engine and it will roll.turn the engine on when rolling in neutral it stops the van.you think its the shift pack? thanks
April 14, 2010


jovial_cynic said:
chris -

No clue! That doesn't sound like a problem that I've encountered. It does, however, sound like something a seized-up solenoid pack (shift pack, as you call it) could cause. Is the check-engine light on? If so, run a scan tool on it and see what it gives you. The solenoid pack should kick back an error message if it's not behaving properly...

April 14, 2010


chris said:
i unpluged the solenoid pack and it moved doesnt go into reverse going to replace it to day.
April 15, 2010


klaas vanden beld said:
Thank you for the info, I had trouble with the shifting[2000 dodge gr. caravan 3.8 ltr., 4 speed auto.] with the help of your pics , it was easy to put 2 new speed sensors in. This turned off the check engine light and made the van run perfect again.With the only expense the cost of the sensors.Thank you.
April 22, 2010


Charlie said:
Hello, the dealer told me that i have to change the solenoid pack but it is to much money with them. I know a little about cars, do u think that i can do it myself, where can i find out the steps?
April 29, 2010


jovial_cynic said:
Charlie -

In fact, I wrote about replacing the solenoid pack on this post. Take a look there for instructions on how to do it.

April 29, 2010


kenny said:
Hi Jovial , I have 2000 grand caravan , 3.0 ,154000 miles, have shifting problem 2nd and 4th gear ,sometime drive ok for few miles and then go back again with the shifting problem.
something when i drive for 1 to 2 miles ,i turn off and start again and i shift to drive, the van turns off by itself,and also running maybe like 25 to 30 miles when push brakes,the van turn off.

May 17, 2010


jovial_cynic said:
kenny -

Sounds like a solenoid pack, but you'll want to stop by an auto store (autozone, schucks, etc.) and run a scan-tool on it to see what's going on.

Did a check-engine light come on?

May 17, 2010


Harlan said:
does anyone know if a 94 transmission from a 3.0 4 speed will fit a 91 3.0 4 speed.........the book says no but one guy said the only difference is the electronic speedomiter ......is there any way to swap this issue?
May 22, 2010


jovial_cynic said:
Harlan -

Not sure... but if the book says no, I'd venture that the answer is no. The correct electronic speedometer (which feeds the output speed sensor) is necessary for the cruise control, and possibly a bunch of other speed-related functions.

May 22, 2010


DENNY said:
CAN U TELL ME WHICH IS THE IN AN OUT ON THE LINES TO COOLER.THANKS
May 22, 2010


jovial_cynic said:
Denny -

You mean the fluid lines? Not sure off the top of my head, but if you're just trying to make sure that you're putting the right hose on the right nipple, the picture in my post should help. The straight hose goes on the left, and the hose with a bend in it goes on the right...

May 22, 2010


Jared said:
Thanks a ton for this post.....
My 2000 caravan wasn't shifting. The speedometer wasn't working either. I read this post and then changed out both speed sensors.The output sensor had some gunk on it. After I put it back together, I took it for a drive. The van is now shifting, but the speedometer, gas gage, and thermostat in the dash or not working. Any ideas?

May 29, 2010


Lea said:
Driving down the road and van sounded like it came out of gear. No forward no reverse. Fluid was low put some in (for dodge caravan) Started van back up. Had drive and no reverse. Could drive only 8 miles an hour but get to 9 it goes out again. Made it home. Dropped pan and fluid did not look bad there was some metal particles on magnet. Took cable off battery to reset also. Van was bought used and has given us no problems till now (2yrs. later). Just don't want to believe it has to have a new or rebuilt transmission. Is there any ideas before we have to go to new transmission or another vehicle. No check engine light is coming on. Is there a sequence of things to check before replacing trans. Solenoid pk was checked and cleaned.
May 29, 2010


Lea said:
Changed input and output Sensor and still no reverse any ideas.
June 01, 2010


Javier said:
Hey

I tried the sensors after I saw your post, my 2000 grand caravan 3.3 started giving me trany problems I shift it in to gear I have to rev the engine before it shifts gears and I could hear it shift any ideas ?

June 01, 2010


jovial_cynic said:
Lea - if the solenoid pack isn't throwing errors, and switching out the sensors doesn't fix it, I'm not sure what to tell you. Switching those out is the only thing I've done with my van, and I've had no issues.

Javier - Not sure there. Like I said to Lea, speed sensors and solenoid packs are all I know.

Hopefully you all are changing out your transmission fluid at the right times...

June 02, 2010


Kenny said:
Hi Jovial , I wrote you like 2 weeks ago about the transmission gear. You told me that sound like selenoid pack,you was right i changed it and now the van run perfectly. THANK YOU SOOOOO MUCH!!!!! YOU KNOW HOW MUCH MONEY YOU SAVE ME , AGAIN THANK YOU FOR YOUR HELP.
June 02, 2010


jovial_cynic said:
Kenny -

Glad it worked out for you!

June 02, 2010


senai said:
i was looking for the trans info and i stumble on this site. Jovial-cynic your diy info is great. i have 1995 voyager 3.3 with 4 speed auto transmission. the van is stuck in limp mode and there is no code or check engine light and i tried to test the sensors by disconnecting and and connecting and the out put speed sensor works but not sure about the input and i see some wetness around the solonoid pack connectors area and cleaned and tried but no change. is there any scan tool to read the transmission? i don't have OBD II plug in my van (its 1995 model). auto zone have 1996 and above. any idea? thanks
June 05, 2010


senai said:
by the way i have the same transmission like yours.
June 05, 2010


TheDude said:
Excellent blog :-)



I have a Dodge Caravan (made in 2000), It was given to me with 175,000K on it. I drove it for a week then...


It stuck in 2nd gear so, i read your blog then brought it to a transmission shop. They said it was the selenoid pack and replaced for 300$canadain.

Two weeks later, stuck in 2nd gear again, brought it to the transmisison shop, they kept it several days for testing. Told me it was the Transmission Control Module (TCM) this time $385+labour = too expensive for me.

Though, they said i could keep driving it in second gear so long as i keep the rpm under 3,000 which makes for a speed of 40-60kmph - true/false? How do i handle a van thats stuck in 2nd gear? comments?

Cheers.


ps: they assured me the selenoid pack they had replaced initially needed to be replaced .. that it was visibly burnt out and tested negative with their testing-equipment. They run a clean shop, with friendly service and a good reputation so i tend to beleive them.

June 07, 2010


jovial_cynic said:
senai -

I'm not sure... but if there is wetness around the solenoid pack, you may want to consider swapping it out.

TheDude -

Being stuck in 2nd gear means it's in limp mode, and in my case, that was directly associated with the bad solenoid pack. I haven't replaced the TCM in mine - have you checked to see if you can get the part cheaper than what your auto shop is charging?

June 08, 2010


TheDude said:
I'll think about replacing the TCM myself, i need to do more research.

But whats your opinion on me driving the van while its stuck in 2nd gear (slip mode)? Could i possibly do more damage?

Cheers.

June 09, 2010


jovial_cynic said:
TheDude -

Driving in 2nd gear isn't going to hurt the engine or transmission. It's going to be terribly annoying, though, and if you run the RPMs too high, THAT will stress your engine out.

June 09, 2010


TheDude said:
There are a lot of places that sell "new" refurbished TCMs in the US for about $150us + shipping to canada + taxes = dunno if i save a lot.

i Read that TCMs need to be programmed or flashed with my cars VIN and odometer before it can be used?? but it sounds like there is a procedure to follow after you physically install the tcm under the hood. SO, if i find legitamit instructions on what to do, then i may try it. otherwise i dont wanna play around and risk frying a new tcm.


June 10, 2010


Don said:
Hello and thanks for the information about the input and output speed sensors. I had the same problem with 2000 plymouth voyager, limp mode and speedometer not working, changed both sensors, cost $18 each, and the van is back to normal.
Thank you very much.
Don

June 14, 2010


jovial_cynic said:
Don -

Great! Glad it helped.

June 14, 2010


Brian said:
I have an interesting problem. I have an 03 Stratus that drives perfect! I was driving down the highway about a month ago and the check engine light came on. The car was running perfect and seemed to shift normally. When we hooked it up to a scan tool, it had a P0740 series code (i can't remember the exact number maybe a 0742). Anyway, it said that the torque converter was failing to lockup. Like I said, the trans shift normally and my fuel economy is the same as always. The problem is that the code keeps coming back after we reset it. Any ideas?
June 15, 2010


jovial_cynic said:
Brian -

Sorry - I have no clue about the Dodge Stratus.

June 18, 2010


Harry D said:
brian that is related to the overdrive solenoid in the trans for the converter to lock up in overdrive, the computer is sensing its having a problem and maybe on its way out. it can have a shuttering affect if it gets to bad cause its try to lock up the converter but isnt strong enough from wear and tear like any other electric solenoid. Ram 1500 have a common problem with them.
June 19, 2010


Harry said:
Jovial, great post, youve helped a few people out here. friend of mine is starting to have same prob. with his 99 caravan being stuck in 2nd gear. he replaced the solenoid pak and now it shifts but intermittently goes back to being stuck in 2nd. if he turns it off and restarts it works ok. told him to do the speed sensors will post his outcome.
June 19, 2010


TheDude said:

Harry with the 99 caravan - sounds like your friend is having the same problems as me. let me know what he/she is doing about it.


---
My van started to work again for about a week.. but then it went back into "limp mode" (2nd gear). So i decided to remove the TCM to have a look at it & find the part number.

The TCM was very easy to remove, took less then 5 mins... step 1) disconnect the battery's negative terminal. step 2) unscrew the connector leading out of the TCM to the rest of the engine. step 3) remove 3 screws holding the TCM in place. done.

For the record the part number of the TCM from my 2000 dodge caravan is P04686952AF. The TCM is a simple looking circuit board encased in metal. I thought id be able to see if any microchips, or resistors were burnt and resolder them, but the entire circuit board was coated with one inch thick clear gel :-(

Im going to another transmission shop for advice & maybe a "new" (refurbished) TCM.

June 21, 2010


RonT said:
Hey J This is great stuff thanks. I have a 2003 Dodge Grand Caravan Sport 3.3L. I was having a similar problem when coming to a stop about 18 months ago in Drive/overdrive but not in 3rd. It went away or so I thought..I then needed to replace the transmission 1 yr ago. I got it rebuilt lots of $$ then about 2wks after it again when coming to a stop in drive it would "thunk" down a gear. Back to the shop...they FLASHED the TCM..and bingo it worked fine till today...same senario...and the shop REFLASHED and said the transmission was great. If it happened again that the TCM needed to be replaced. Btw this was a no charge the guys were great..helps when my bil is a mechanic and know the shop. He does not do trannys

Ok well my question is could it be the input and output sensors?

And/or the TCM?
Should I just replace both and if I do should I get the wire repair kit for the input and output sensors?

If it needs to be fixed then my opinion is to do it right.
Btw...how often should you change your transmission fluid? I get mixed opinions.

I change our oil every 5000 km.
Thanks again for such detailed blog.
Ron

June 28, 2010


David said:
MY 1998 Dodge Grand Caravan the speedmeter, RPM, gas stop working, and the light that have the number of miles and P N D L shit in the panel went blank!!! But my transmision is shifting fine. It could the speed sensor too... help
June 30, 2010


Joe M said:
Again, thank you so much, I have a way better feeling for my outcome than I previously have been led to believe.
Wish me well.
Thanks.
Joe-

July 04, 2010


jovial_cynic said:
David - the light going out makes me think that it's a different issue related to an electrical connection. I'm not sure what to tell you about that.

Joe - glad this information has been helpful!

July 04, 2010


David Ballentine said:
fault po700,tcm fault po750 lr solenoid circuit.po740 tcc control circuit performed computer test for faults trans is in limp mode and stuck in second gear what do i do now
July 28, 2010


scott said:
van lurches hard from 2nd to 1st gear when slowing down, but no problem with speedometer acting up. is this still the same problem? also, is sensor location same on 2000 caravan as your diagram?
August 02, 2010


tommy said:
I was just wondering if you knew if this would be the same for a Chrysler Town & Country van. I have a 1999 and it did the same thing.....going down the road cant get out of 2nd gear speedometer quit. Now it also shifts hard when put in gear (it didnt do that before this happened). I could really use ANY advice because I do not have the money for a new transmission. Thanks!
August 13, 2010


jovial_cynic said:
tommy - yup. Same transmission.
August 14, 2010


Burce said:
Could cruise not working be anything other then replacing these 2 sensors? I do not have lurking or speedometer issues. Cruise just does not work.
August 15, 2010


Lora said:
I have a 1992 Dodge caravan. The transmission will work but after about a half hour it will just stop shifting. When It first started doing this the van would overheat as well so my husband changed the radiator (which had a hole in it) but it did not fix the problem. Any ideas what could be wrong?
August 16, 2010


tommy said:
I just wanted to let you know that it worked for my town & country van. Thanks so much!!!! I thought that I was going to have to get a new transmission till I came across this website. I like that it was very detailed (the pictures helped alot). Thanks again!
August 20, 2010


Jim Dreano said:
I want to thank You for the detailed, comprehensive analysis, including the diagrams, photos, and tips to perform the removal/installation of these sensors. Your data is a Godsend ! All other info (even "Factory"/"Qualified" sources were at best sketchy, and often misleading. I wish I could have had You, as a Technical Writer, on my Team at the Naval Base !
Thanks again,
Jim

August 22, 2010


jovial_cynic said:
Tommy and Jim Dreano -

Great! Glad it worked out for you guys.

Incidentally, I once thought about a career as a technical writer.

August 22, 2010


Mpofu said:
I have a Dodge 1998.Its fot the Engine light on, and the code coming out is P701.Travelling at 50 Miles the rpm is above 3,500, and it seems to be stuck on gear 3 , could this be an issue of the Speed sensors as well, please help guys , cant afford a Transmission rebuild.
August 22, 2010


Kent Starcher said:
Hi Jovial
I have a 2003 Dodge Caravan it lock in second gear mode my speedometer was ok
and I replace the input sensor and it was allright and I can drive it for about 4 miles and it lock up back in second gear I found out it have these codes 0700, 0733, 0732,0736 Can any one help

August 24, 2010


jovial_cynic said:
Mpofu and Kent - I don't know the fault codes by memory; you may want to call the Dodge dealership and ask what those fault codes indicate.
August 25, 2010


bill higgs said:
my 98 grand voyageur is throwing p0740 codes, although its shifting fine and lcking up normally, any idea what I should try?

thanks


August 25, 2010


brky76 said:
i have 96 gr caravan it shudders in reverse and seems to be in 2 nd from take off,it shifts to 3rd most of the time,the rpm's bounce at stop lights when brake is applied and stalls sometimes. speed sensors?
August 25, 2010


Amie said:
I have a 2003 Dodge Grand Caravan Sport. The check engine light just came on. My husband checked all fluids and they are fine. The van rides smoothly for the most part but we just noticed the carpet is damp on the passenger side. It isn't damp where the glove box extends down though. The dampness continues along the door passed the seat. I don't know if this is what's triggering the check engine light or if it a completely different problem? I'm open to any help or suggestions as I don't have the money right now to put the van in the shop. Thank You for any help!
August 26, 2010


greg said:
on my 1998 town and country what would cause the speedometer to stop working and the engine revving to 4k to go 55 mph along with the p n r d 2 1 indicators on the dash to all have circals around each of the p n r d 2 1 indicators so you can't tell which gear is indicated and the service engine soon is illuminated too. i did a trip reset code check i got a code 905 and 999 and ck1 ck2 ck4 no errors - thanks
September 02, 2010


jim strozewski said:
2000 grand caravan...tranny went into limp mode second gear only forward...reverse was fine.turn the ign off and and restart, tranny works fine for about 10 mile then shifts to limp mode 2nd gear. Mechanic replaced the solonoid shift pack. Shifts great now but no reverse or very little reverse...
September 04, 2010


jovial_cynic said:
brky76 - Sounds like speed sensors

Amie - Not sure. You have to identify the liquid causing the dampness. Also, if the check engine light came on, run to an Auzo Zone or similar shop and have them run a tester on the engine to see what signals it is throwing.

greg - no clue!

jim - no clue there either.

September 05, 2010


dan delcoure said:
got a problem with my 97 caravan the transmission goes into nutral at a certain speed and also drops into second gear and stays tell i pull over and kill the motor and start over again
September 05, 2010


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